<<AlphaOmega>>
You said -- then the deception and self serving crept in with Rutherford's "hostile" takeover of the organisation.--
Can you elaborate on why you call it a "hostile" takeover?? I am on a big learning curve.
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The Scotsman
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Is it "Deception" or are they simply "Misguided"???
by The Scotsman inas many of you know i have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the wtbts or is it the fds or is it the governing body, its all abit cloudy now.
anyway my point is this - is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).
my own opinion - i think they are in the middle somewhere.
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Is it "Deception" or are they simply "Misguided"???
by The Scotsman inas many of you know i have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the wtbts or is it the fds or is it the governing body, its all abit cloudy now.
anyway my point is this - is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).
my own opinion - i think they are in the middle somewhere.
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The Scotsman
As many of you know I have been looking abit closer at the teachings of the WTBTS or is it the FDS or is it the Governing body, its all abit cloudy now.
Anyway my point is this - Is it deception (a deliberate attempt to mislead people) or is it that they are misguided (think they are right but are not).
My own opinion - I think they are in the middle somewhere. Some on the writing committees, even on the GB must have some doubts about some of the teachings, but in an attempt to keep control they knowingly keep up the current teachings. ""1914 being a prime example"". But I am also of the feeling that much of what is said or printed is done in good faith, with sincerity.
Of course a problem with someone who employs deception is that they can no longer be trusted!!!!
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1 Thess 5:3 - What do you think....
by The Scotsman in1 thessalonians 5:3 says this - "whenever it is that they are saying: peace and security!
then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.
" nwt... jehovahs witnesses believe this is refering to our time with a final fulfillment imminent which of course triggers total destruction for nearly everyone and everything.
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WTWizard
You make a good point regarding the sporadic use of this verse - depending on world conditions. It is also true that this is a fear scripture - keep pubs on there toes.
I find it interesting that this verse "in context" gives little indication (if any) of an application in our time. And yet JWs clearly identify this verse with 20th / 21st century.
I suppose a question that a few of you have touched on is - Who is the "them" who are destroyed? It must refer to something!!!
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1 Thess 5:3 - What do you think....
by The Scotsman in1 thessalonians 5:3 says this - "whenever it is that they are saying: peace and security!
then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.
" nwt... jehovahs witnesses believe this is refering to our time with a final fulfillment imminent which of course triggers total destruction for nearly everyone and everything.
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The Scotsman
1 Thessalonians 5:3 says this - "Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape." NWT..
Jehovahs witnesses believe this is refering to our time with a final fulfillment imminent which of course triggers total destruction for nearly everyone and everything.
And it has to be said there has been much talk of peace in recent history - But is that what this verse is refering to????
What do you guys think? A 1st century fulfillment???
Give me your thoughts
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What is Armageddon then????
by The Scotsman inhi folks.
as many of you will know i am having serious doubts regarding many of the jw teachings and doing some research myself, very enlightening.. my point - .
the bible clearly mentions armageddon, a destructive event, gods war.. jws believe this will happen soon and destroy all the wicked but let the righteous remain.
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Gnulite...
I think you may be reading that verse a bit to slowly, but anyway, on many occasions throughout the bible it speaks of "The great and fear inspiring day of jehovah". JWs teach that this is referring to the aforementioned Armageddon.
I am not sure what it all refers to but it could refer to a particular event, either in the past or yet to happen.
You suggest new light on this????? If it was a major shift it would not go down well with the average JW.
I believe the next new light will be to do with 1914. (You heard it here first, well you read it here first)!
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What is Armageddon then????
by The Scotsman inhi folks.
as many of you will know i am having serious doubts regarding many of the jw teachings and doing some research myself, very enlightening.. my point - .
the bible clearly mentions armageddon, a destructive event, gods war.. jws believe this will happen soon and destroy all the wicked but let the righteous remain.
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<<< a 1st-century Jewish-Christian apocalyptic fantasy about the expected end of the Roman empire >>>
I have to say that a fullfillment in the first century does seem plausable. Though I do feel that not all of reveleation applied to the first century.
And, of course, much if not all is purely symbolic, so trying to equate it to a specific fact is difficult.
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What is Armageddon then????
by The Scotsman inhi folks.
as many of you will know i am having serious doubts regarding many of the jw teachings and doing some research myself, very enlightening.. my point - .
the bible clearly mentions armageddon, a destructive event, gods war.. jws believe this will happen soon and destroy all the wicked but let the righteous remain.
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Hi Folks
As many of you will know I am having serious doubts regarding many of the JW teachings and doing some research myself, Very enlightening.
My point -
The bible clearly mentions Armageddon, a destructive event, Gods war.
JWs believe this will happen soon and destroy all the wicked but let the righteous remain.
Personally I accepted the JW version for many years but it sounds a bit off the mark to me now.
If the JW view is wrong - what do you think is the correct view???
Ta much
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The scotsman returns - but he is not the same....
by The Scotsman inhello, yes the scotsman has returned, but i have been naughty .
i have been doing some of my own research on the internet etc regarding jws and some doctrinal issues.. i have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.. example - the 1914 timeframe.. the reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization.
evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.. many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations.
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Thanks for all your comments.
I suppose a difficulty I am having is facing the future, this problem filled world, without the hope of problems being removed very soon.
Its quite scary.
Did you guys feel like that, a sense of fear because the long held beliefs might just be nonsense??
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The scotsman returns - but he is not the same....
by The Scotsman inhello, yes the scotsman has returned, but i have been naughty .
i have been doing some of my own research on the internet etc regarding jws and some doctrinal issues.. i have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.. example - the 1914 timeframe.. the reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization.
evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.. many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations.
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The Scotsman
<<< quite a smug one after beating france at football >>>
What a goal.
I was at the Lithuania game - brilliant atmosphere.
A group from the cong going to the italy game.
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The scotsman returns - but he is not the same....
by The Scotsman inhello, yes the scotsman has returned, but i have been naughty .
i have been doing some of my own research on the internet etc regarding jws and some doctrinal issues.. i have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.. example - the 1914 timeframe.. the reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization.
evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.. many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations.
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The Scotsman
<<< Have you had any thoughts about the organisation itself (ie the control issues, profits etc) ? >>>
Certainly recently I have started to think there is something not right with the leadership of WTBTS.
I think someone posted here a week or so back saying that its as if the GB are infallible now.
Certainly that is suggested in the Sept KM Question box.
As well as the 1914 change (if it happened it would have a major impact), another development that would have some sort of influence on the publishers would be a drop in active publishers.
Rates of increase in recent years have been pretty minimal.
A personal gripe - pointing the finger at other groups saying "they are like this and that", criticizing, when we are guilty of exactly the same thing!!!